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08-24-2023 Questions and Answers

08-24-2023 Questions and Answers 1200 628 Jill Pioter

Q: Does the IRS care if a Conference violates the SVdP Rule and gives to another non-SVdP charity that agrees to spend the money wisely?

A: The IRS indeed cares if a nonprofit violates its own mission, organizational documents, and rules. The Society cares if an SVdP entity violates its Rule. The IRS is not aware of all of SVdP’s prohibitions, but you are. As a holder of an IRS tax-exemption and a member of the Society of St. Vincent de Paul, you must honor both. We have tax-exempt status to use funds to fulfill our mission which is stated in our letter of exemption. We are not a pass-through organization. If our donors want to support another organization, they would give the funds to that organization.

Q: Should the minutes of a Conference meeting include specific details of a Home Visit, or is it enough to note what action was decided upon to help a person/family? 

A:  Conference minutes are the written record of decisions made by the Conference. The details of the Home Visit are not necessary in the minutes; they may be in a separate case record. However, if there is something about the visit that results in a Conference decision, some details might be noted in the minutes.

Spanish Translation

P: ¿Le importa al IRS si una Conferencia viola la Regla SVdP y da a otra organización benéfica que no es SVdP que acepta gastar el dinero sabiamente?

R: El IRS realmente se preocupa si una organización sin fines de lucro viola su propia misión, documentos organizacionales y reglas.  La Sociedad se preocupa si una entidad SVdP viola su Regla.  El IRS no está al tanto de todas las prohibiciones de SVdP, pero usted sí.  Como titular de una exención de impuestos del IRS y miembro de la Sociedad de San Vicente de Paúl, debe honrar a ambos.  Tenemos un estado exento de impuestos para usar fondos para cumplir con nuestra misión que se establece en nuestra carta de exención.  No somos una organización de paso.  Si nuestros donantes quieren apoyar a otra organización, ellos habrían dado los fondos a esa organización.

P: ¿Deberían las actas de una reunión de Conferencia incluir detalles específicos de una Visita Domiciliaria o es suficiente anotar qué acción se decidió para servir a una persona / familia?

R:  Las actas de la Conferencia son el registro escrito de las decisiones tomadas por la Conferencia. Los detalles de la Visita Domiciliaria no son necesarios en las actas; Pueden estar en un registro de caso separado.  Sin embargo, si hay algo acerca de la visita que resulta en una decisión de la Conferencia, algunos detalles podrían anotarse en las actas.

08-17-2023 Questions and Answers

08-17-2023 Questions and Answers 1200 628 Jill Pioter

Q: What can we include in our volunteer hours? Is working at a funeral, serving food, choir, sacristan, driving an elderly neighbor to an appointment, or babysitting for a family in need or the members’ grandchildren also allowed to be included in volunteer hours?

A: Any member activities that are directly associated with SVdP Conference life can be considered volunteer hours. If individuals volunteer outside of their Conference duties, it should not be counted in the annual report data. If working at a funeral, serving food, choir, sacristan, etc., are activities of the Conference life then they can be counted. If these are individual choices in support of the parish but not Conference works, these volunteer hours cannot be counted.

Q: Is there a national policy about sharing documents in a criminal case with a pastor? We have shared the information with him, but he now wants copies of the documents which we have given to the local law enforcement authorities. The parish itself is not involved in the case.

A: This issue should be discussed with an attorney. A lot depends on the nature of the case. Depending on the nature of the information, it may impact an investigation. Both the pastor and the attorney should know and understand that confidentiality is highly emphasized within the Society. The Society operates at the pastor’s permission and relies on him for matters of faith and morals. If the case involves these issues or parish property/resources, the pastor has a right to be informed.

Spanish Translation

P: ¿Qué podemos incluir en nuestras horas de voluntariado? ¿Trabajar en un funeral, servir comida, participar en el coro, ser sacristán, llevar a un prójimo de la tercera edad a una cita, cuidar niños para una familia necesitada o cuidar los nietos de los miembros puede también ser incluido en las horas de voluntariado?

R: Cualquier actividad de los miembros que esté directamente asociada con la vida de la Conferencia de SVdP puede considerarse horas de voluntariado. Si las personas se ofrecen como voluntarios fuera de sus deberes de la Conferencia, no deben contarse en los datos del informe anual. Si trabajar en un funeral, servir comida, participar en el coro, o ser sacristán, etc., son actividades de la vida de la Conferencia, entonces se pueden contar. Si estas son opciones individuales en apoyo de la parroquia, pero no de los trabajos de la Conferencia, estas horas de voluntariado no se pueden contar.

P: ¿Existe una política nacional sobre compartir documentos en un caso criminal con el Padre?  Hemos compartido la información con él, pero ahora quiere copias de los documentos que hemos entregado a las autoridades policiales locales. La parroquia en sí no está involucrada en el caso.

A: Este tema debe ser discutido con un abogado. Mucho depende de la naturaleza del caso.  Dependiendo de la naturaleza de la información, puede afectar una investigación.  Tanto el Padre como el abogado deben saber y entender que la confidencialidad es altamente enfatizada dentro de la Sociedad. La Sociedad opera con el permiso del Padre y depende de él para asuntos de fe y moral. Si el caso involucra estos asuntos o la propiedad / recursos de la parroquia, el Padre tiene derecho a ser informado.

08-10-2023 Questions and Answers

08-10-2023 Questions and Answers 1200 628 Jill Pioter

Q: Are Conferences permitted to own land and buildings separate from their Council?

A: If a Conference is separately incorporated and has its own tax-exemption, it may own property. If the Conference is using the EIN and tax-exemption of a District or Diocesan Council, it is part of that legal entity, and ownership of property is defined by the owner of the EIN.

Q: Members delivering furniture to a neighbor in need using their personal vehicle accidentally backed into a mailbox — damaging the mailbox and the vehicle. Should the Conference pay for the mailbox and the vehicle repairs?

A: Please consult your Council/Conference insurance policy for coverage. It may require that when a Vincentian has an accident with their own vehicle, it is the Vincentian’s auto insurance that comes into play first. The Council or Conference may then have liability insurance to cover this case. The Conference can separately make a decision to pay or not pay for related damages for either party outside of its insurance coverage. If our work damages the property of a neighbor in need, there is a moral obligation, regardless of coverage, to make it right.

Spanish Translation

P: ¿Se permite a las Conferencias poseer terrenos y edificios separados de su Consejo?

R: Si una Conferencia se incorpora por separado y tiene su propia exención de impuestos, puede poseer propiedades.  Si la Conferencia está utilizando el EIN y la exención de impuestos de un Distrito o Consejo Diocesano, es parte de esa entidad legal y la propiedad de la propiedad es definida por el propietario del EIN.

P: Los miembros que entregan muebles a un prójimo en necesidad usando su vehículo personal accidentalmente retrocedieron en un buzón, dañando el buzón y el vehículo. ¿Debería la Conferencia pagar el buzón y las reparaciones del vehículo?

R: Consulte las pólizas del seguro del Consejo/Conferencia sobre la cobertura. Puede requerir que cuando un Vicentino tiene un accidente con su propio vehículo, es el seguro de automóvil del Vicentino el que entra en juego primero.  El Consejo o la Conferencia pueden entonces tener un seguro de responsabilidad civil para cubrir este caso. La Conferencia puede tomar por separado la decisión de pagar o no pagar los daños conexos para cualquiera de las partes fuera de cobertura del seguro. Si nuestro trabajo daña la propiedad de un prójimo en necesidad, existe una obligación moral de corregirlo, independientemente de la cobertura.

08-03-2023 Questions and Answers

08-03-2023 Questions and Answers 1200 628 Jill Pioter

Q: In the interest of having more of our members assume an officer position, our Conference would like to change the term of office to be one year with re-election possible for more than one year, but not more than six. I cannot find any provision in The Rule for changing the term of Conference office. Can we do this with a simple vote to change the term of office?

A: The answer is No; the president is only elected for a three-year term. It is in the international Rule of the Society and cannot be changed. All other officers are appointed by and serve at the elected president’s pleasure. See the Rule Part III, Statute 12:  Servant Leadership Positions.

Q: Our Archdiocesan Council has its own EIN that includes nearly all the Conferences, but my Conference has a separate EIN, and we are a separate 501 (c)(3). We received notice to provide the ADCC with an audit, but I don’t believe that we would be a part of their audit. We are definitely part of the Archdiocesan Council but are we part of their audit? 

A: The audit typically includes all entities using the Council’s EIN. If your Conference has its own EIN, then your Conference should conduct a separate audit at the Archdiocesan Council’s request. Part III of The Rule, Statute 27 states: When deemed appropriate Council Presidents should require audits or audit reviews of the Conferences (at minimum, an internal review), or of Councils, and Special Works under the auspices of their Council. In addition, Conferences are required to perform an audit every year. A copy of this audit should be passed on to the upper Council.

Spanish Translation

P: Con el interés de que más de nuestros miembros asuman un puesto de oficiales, nuestra Conferencia desearía cambiar el mandato para que sea de un año con la posibilidad de reelección por un año más, pero no más de seis.  No encuentro ninguna disposición en la Regla que permita cambiar la duración del término de los Oficiales de la Conferencia. ¿Podemos hacerlo con una simple votación para cambiar el mandato?

A: La respuesta es No; El Presidente solo es elegido por un período de 3 años. Está en la Regla Internacional de la Sociedad y no se puede cambiar. Todos los demás funcionarios son nombrados y sirven a gusto del Presidente electo. Véase la Regla Parte III, Estatuto 12: Posiciones de Liderazgo de servicio.

P: Nuestro Consejo Arquidiocesano tiene su propio EIN que incluye casi todas las Conferencias, pero mi Conferencia tiene un EIN separado, y somos un 501 (c) (3) separado.  Recibimos un aviso para proporcionar al Consejo Arquidiocesano una auditoría, pero no creo que fuéramos parte de su auditoría.  Definitivamente somos parte del Consejo Arquidiocesano, pero ¿somos parte de su auditoría?

A: La auditoría suele incluir a todas las entidades que utilizan el EIN del Consejo. Si su conferencia tiene su propio EIN, entonces su Conferencia debe realizar una auditoría separada a solicitud del Consejo Arquidiocesano.  La Parte III del Regla, Estatuto 27 establece: Cuando se considere apropiado, los Presidentes de los Consejos deben exigir auditorías o revisiones de auditoría de las Conferencias (como mínimo, una revisión interna), o de los Consejos, y Trabajos Especiales bajo los auspicios de su Consejo.  Además, las Conferencias deben realizar una auditoría cada año.  Una copia de esta auditoría debe ser entregada al Consejo superior.

07-27-2023 Questions and Answers

07-27-2023 Questions and Answers 1200 628 Jill Pioter

Q: I have always been told that $.30/mile was acceptable. Has the Society increased the reimbursement for mileage due to the fuel price increases? This is not for Home Visits or serving the poor, it is for travel expenses in growing new Conferences or traveling to national meetings.

A: The rates are determined by the IRS, not the Society. The IRS has determined that $0.14 per mile driven as a volunteer is an appropriate rate for reimbursement. This rate for charity has remained the same since 1998.

The 2023 business mileage reimbursement rate is 65.5 cents per mile, which applies only to employees of the nonprofit.

Spanish Translation

P: Siempre me han dicho que $ .30 / milla es aceptable. ¿Ha aumentado la Sociedad el reembolso por kilometraje debido a los aumentos del precio del combustible? Esto no es para las Visitas Domiciliarias o para servir a las personas en necesidad, es para gastos de viaje en para nuevas Conferencias o viajes a reuniones nacionales.

A: Las tasas son determinadas por el IRS, no por la Sociedad. El IRS ha determinado que $0.14 por milla recorrida como voluntario es una tasa apropiada para el reembolso. Esta tasa para las organizaciones de caridad se ha mantenido igual desde 1998.

La tasa de reembolso de millas comerciales de 2023 es de 65.5 centavos por milla, que se aplica solo a los empleados de la organización sin fines de lucro.

Am I A Vincentian?

Am I A Vincentian? 1200 628 Jill Pioter

In June 2008, I attended the Western Region Meeting in Boise, Idaho.  I was not alone.  There were 225 other Vincentians along with me.  During the time I spent there, I met with many Vincentians and discussed a wide variety of topics.  I also put on a workshop and facilitated two open forums where anything and everything could be discussed.  One theme came up over and over again in those discussions.  This is also a theme which is continually asked today as well.  How do you get the Conferences and the members to adhere to or comply with the Rule?

This is a tough question.  And it requires a tough answer.  People, in general, have mixed feelings when it comes to rules and regulations.  They usually will admit to the value of them.  They usually will admit to the need for them.  And they normally agree that compliance is necessary; that is, until they want to do something that does not really correspond to the rules.  Then it becomes harsh and too restrictive.  They did not join the Society to follow the rules.  They joined the Society to do some good and do not want to be bogged down with meaningless do’s and don’ts.  We hear this stuff all the time!  I can go into a long,  drawn-out dissertation on why rules and regulations are important, but that will get us nowhere.  I can take a military point of view and say that if one soldier steps out of line the war will be lost.  Nobody is going to buy that.  I can talk about unity of thought and action, but that cup only holds a limited amount of water.

It truly boils down to one thing.  Ask yourself one question:  Am I a Vincentian?  To be a Vincentian you have to make a commitment.  Here is where the rub comes in.  Commitment!  Being a Vincentian calls for a number of things to be accepted and come into play.  Being a Vincentian means accepting who we are, what we are about, what we do, and how we do it.  Being a Vincentian means more than helping people in need.  It means growing in holiness, striving to grow closer to God.  It means growing closer to our fellow Vincentians.  It means serving God through serving those in need.  It means a blend of all of the above.

A number of years ago, when searching for the answer to a question, I was referred to John Simmons, former National President of the Society, the guru.  If you wanted to know anything about the Society he was the man to go to.  John said that if you call yourself a Vincentian, you want to meet as often as possible with your fellow Vincentians, you want to learn about the Society, you want to understand what this is all about, and you want to help it grow.  It is that simple.

If I want to do my own thing, follow my own rules or no rules at all, I can start my own special work or organization.  Then all I have to do is get other people who want to join me to follow my rules.  I am a Vincentian.  I am committed to who we are, what we do and the way we do it.  Complying with the Rule not only makes sense, it is something I want to do.

Mike Syslo

Chair, National Governance Committee

07-13-2023 Questions and Answers

07-13-2023 Questions and Answers 1200 628 Jill Pioter

Q: I have a question about volunteer of the year awards. Our rules talk about members living with simplicity and not looking for personal accolades or glory. How would volunteer of the year fit into that?

A: The Conference has to decide that an award would be appropriate. If deemed appropriate to do so, Conference members have to contribute or donate to purchase the award. It is still a Conference expense, however funds given to help the poor may not be used for this expense. In addition, not all awards and recognitions need to be purchased.

A traditional award given by Conferences and Councils is the “Top Hat Award.” Criteria for this award are determined by the local Council (or Conference), and the award itself may be as simple as designing and printing your own certificates.

Q: One of our members has suggested that for Home Visits we partner with graduate students in social work from a nearby university. So many of the neighbors we meet need multiple layers of assistance from different agencies. Is this allowed? The students would gain experience but would not be paid, and they would not be Vincentians. This seems out of keeping with our Vincentian spirit and with rules of confidentiality. 

A: Social workers are governed by a whole set of rules that (may not apply equally) for Vincentians. Therefore, in good SVdP governance guidance, this would not be a good partnership for Home Visits. It might be good for seeking advice as to resources available to help those who come to us.

Spanish Translation

P: Tengo una pregunta sobre los reconocimientos al voluntario del año. Nuestras reglas hablan de miembros que viven con simplicidad y no buscan elogios personales o gloria. ¿Cómo encajaría el voluntario del año en eso?

R: La Conferencia tiene que decidir que un reconocimiento sería apropiado.  Si se considera apropiado hacerlo, los miembros de la Conferencia deben contribuir o donar dinero para obtener el regalo.  Sigue siendo un gasto de la Conferencia, sin embargo, los fondos dados para servir a las personas en necesidad no pueden ser utilizados para este gasto. Además, no todos los premios y reconocimientos necesitan ser comprados.

Un premio tradicional otorgado por Conferencias y Consejos es el “Premio Sombrero de Copa”. Los criterios para este reconocimiento son determinados por el Consejo local (o Conferencia), y el reconocimiento en sí puede ser tan simple como diseñar e imprimir ustedes mismos sus certificados.

P: Uno de nuestros miembros ha sugerido que para las Visitas Domiciliarias nos asociemos con estudiantes graduados en trabajo social de una Universidad cercana. Muchos de nuestros prójimos que conocemos necesitan múltiples formas de asistencia de diferentes agencias. ¿Está permitido? Los estudiantes ganarían experiencia, pero no se les pagaría, y no serían Vicentinos. Esto parece no estar de acuerdo con nuestro espíritu Vicentino y con las reglas de confidencialidad.

R: Los trabajadores sociales se rigen por todo un conjunto de reglas que pueden no aplicarse por igual para los Vicentinos.  Por lo tanto, para el buen gobierno de SVdP, esta no sería una buena asociación para las Visitas Domiciliarias.  Podría ser bueno el buscar asesoramiento en cuanto a los recursos disponibles para servir a aquellos que vienen a nosotros.

10 Reasons To Love High-Performing Nonprofit Boards

10 Reasons To Love High-Performing Nonprofit Boards 1200 628 Jill Pioter

By: Alyce Lee Stansbury/Notes on Nonprofits

This description of nonprofits from the National Council of Nonprofits is one of my favorites: “Nonprofits are not just organizations; they are the face of our communities. They protect, feed, heal, shelter, educate, and nurture our bodies and spirits. Nonprofits give shape to our boldest dreams, highest ideals and noblest causes, and turn our beliefs into action.”

Here are 10 sweet reasons to love high-performing nonprofit Boards:

  1. Take work seriously: They are led by volunteers who take Board service seriously, arrive at meetings on time, and come prepared to discuss important issues. They do not want to listen to reports about things that have already happened, which is a waste of everyone’s time.
  2. Strategic plan: Adopt a strategic plan and use it to guide the Board’s work including meeting agendas, committee structure, and fundraising.
  3. Self-assessment: Regularly evaluate their performance by conducting a Board self-assessment and make it a priority to learn more about effective nonprofit governance.
  4. Recruit with focus: Recruit new Board members with intention and focus, and adopt a list of Board member expectations that includes attendance, committee service, personal giving, strategic planning, participation in fundraising to share with prospective members.
  5. Executive Director evaluation: Conduct an annual evaluation of the Executive Director that includes a documented process for awarding raises or bonuses and investing in their professional growth.
  6. Build relationships: Understand an important part of their job is building and deepening relationships between the nonprofit and donors, sponsors, members, volunteers, elected officials and other key stakeholders.
  7. Donor stewardship: Take donor stewardship seriously and routinely write thank you notes, call donors to say thank you, and personally patronize the businesses who support the mission and fundraising events.
  8. Promote mission: Recognize the importance of advocacy and promote the mission in the community on a year-round basis. This includes introducing new people to the organization, connecting the ED to people within their sphere of influence, and seeking out opportunities to tell more people about the organization and its important work.
  9. Technology: Invest in technology and use data to inform decision-making in all areas including programs, fundraising, finances, facilities, and strategic planning.
  10. Term limits: Adopt and abide by term limits, recognize serving as Board chair requires the highest level of commitment, a unique skill set, and should be carefully selected rather than falling to someone who missed the meeting or has simply been here the longest. High- performing Boards understand you have the Board you cultivate.

Notes on Nonprofits is produced by Alyce Lee Stansbury, CFRE, President of Stansbury Consulting, and includes resources, responses to reader questions, guest columns, and timeless topics. Please send your comments and questions to notesonnonprofits@gmail.com.

06-22-2023 Questions and Answers

06-22-2023 Questions and Answers 1200 628 Jill Pioter

Q: Our parish Social Outreach Director received a $3,000 anonymous donation. The donor stipulated that it be used by the SVdP Conference to help the needy. The Outreach Director wants our Conference members to contact him individually for the amount of money needed after visiting a neighbor in need. Is this the proper way to handle a donation given to our Conference?

A: The money received should be given to the Conference treasurer to be deposited in the Conference bank account, and individual checks then be written for each purpose. The Outreach Director should not try to micro-manage the use of the funds.

Q: In the Rule, is there an age limit on nominees for local Council or Conference President?

A: The age limit was removed in the 1980s, when it was determined to be age discrimination. The new Rule, adopted in 2003, has no age limit for local Council and Conference Presidents.

Spanish Translation

P: Nuestro Director de Servicio Social de la parroquia recibió una donación anónima de $3000.00. El donante estipuló que fuera utilizado por la Conferencia SVdP para ayudar a los necesitados. El Director de Servicio Social quiere que los miembros de nuestra Conferencia se comuniquen con él individualmente para obtener la cantidad de dinero necesaria después de visitar a nuestro prójimo en necesidad. ¿Es esta la forma correcta de manejar una donación dada a nuestra Conferencia?

R: El dinero recibido debe ser entregado al tesorero de la Conferencia para ser depositado en la cuenta bancaria de la Conferencia, y luego se deben escribir cheques individuales para cada propósito.  El Director de Servicios Sociales de la parroquia no debe tratar de micro gestionar el uso de los fondos.

P: ¿Existe una limitación impuesta sobre la edad de los nominados a la elección de un Presidente del Consejo o Conferencia local en la Regla?

R: Solía haber una limitación de edad en la antigua Regla, pero se eliminó en la década de 1980.  Se determinó que era discriminación por edad y no debía figurar en la Regla.  En general, el nuevo artículo adoptado en 2003 no tiene ninguna limitación para los Presidentes locales de los Consejos y Conferencias.

 

06-15-2023 Questions and Answers

06-15-2023 Questions and Answers 1200 628 Jill Pioter

Q: How important is it to get a receipt? We always have an electronic copy of the check from our bank but is that enough? Prior to COVID we would drop off checks to management companies or landlords in person and receive a receipt immediately. During COVID we generally would mail a check along with a letter with information about the help we were providing, requesting that they either email or send us a receipt, in the mail. Most send receipts but some do not.

A: Every effort should be made to get a receipt. If it is not possible, then a note from the Vincentians involved with the transaction saying that the receipt was not given should be used in place of the receipt. This should also be recorded in the case record.

Q: The Rule and Manual talk about a festival meeting, and that you can receive a plenary indulgence for it. How do you define a festival meeting, and could a Morning of Reflection be considered as such?

A: The Rule is explicit about what are considered festival meetings. According to the Rule, Part III, Statute 9, Vincentians celebrate “Festival Meetings,” by attending Mass together. Members meet on one or more of the following: Ozanam Sunday (the last Sunday of April, in honor of the April 23 birthday of Frederic Ozanam), the Feast of Blessed Frederic Ozanam (September 9), the Feast of St. Vincent de Paul (Sept. 27), the Feast of the Immaculate Conception (Dec. 8), a Conference Mass celebrated once a year, and another feast day of local custom. A Conference Day of Recollection by itself cannot be considered a Festival Meeting unless it is held in conjunction with a Mass that all members attend on one of the above days.

Spanish Translation

P: ¿Qué tan importante es obtener un recibo? Siempre tenemos una copia electrónica del cheque de nuestro banco, pero ¿es suficiente? Antes del Covid, dejábamos cheques a compañías de administración o propietarios en persona y recibíamos un recibo de inmediato. Durante el Covid, generalmente enviábamos un cheque junto con una carta con la información sobre la ayuda que estábamos brindando, solicitando que nos enviaran un correo electrónico o un recibo por correo. La mayoría envía recibos, pero algunos no.

R: Se debe hacer todo lo posible para obtener un recibo.  Si no es posible, entonces se debe poner una nota de los Vicentinos involucrados en el caso, diciendo que el recibo no fue entregado, y en lugar del recibo usaran copia electrónica del cheque.  Esto también debe registrarse en el expediente del caso.

P: En la Regla y el Manual habla de una reunión festiva, y de que se puede recibir una indulgencia plenaria por ello.  ¿Cómo se define una reunión festiva, y se podría considerarse una Mañana de Reflexión como tal?

R: El Manual es explícito sobre lo que se consideran reuniones festivas. De acuerdo con la Regla original y la tradición de la Sociedad, los Vicentinos celebran “Reuniones Festivas”, cuando se reúnen para la Santa Misa y una reunión. Los miembros se reúnen en uno o más de los siguientes: Domingo de Ozanam (el último domingo de abril, en honor al cumpleaños del Beato Federico Ozanam el 23 de abril, la Festividad del Beato Federico Ozanam (9 de septiembre), la Festividad de San Vicente de Paúl (27 de septiembre), la Festividad de la Inmaculada Concepción (8 de diciembre), una Misa de Conferencia celebrada una vez al año, y otra fiesta de costumbre local. Un Día de Retiro de la Conferencia por sí solo no puede considerarse una Reunión Festiva a menos que se celebre junto con una Misa a la que todos los miembros asistan en uno de los días anteriores.

 

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